Well I think that unneccesarily reductionist. There’s more to life and interpersonal relationships that just property, money and business. :) Being pissed of for him shutting it down, for example, is perfectly legitimate.
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This is the solipsistic mistake everyone makes, when going online. I don’t HAVE any interpersonal relationships, here. Not with Bryan, or with any of you other people. There are no relationships with people, here. You have an attitude toward content that people post. That attitude can be friendly or hostile, but the regard is for the content, not the person who produced it.
You cannot have a relationship with the person who produced it, until you personally meet them. At which point, whatever relationship arises will be a negotiation between actual individuals and governed by circumstance. It’s certainly true that the content I produce can influence your decision to meet or not meet me. But that’s still about the content, not about me.
No, actually, it wouldn’t be. Bryan has made no promises or commitments, formal or informal, with regard to his show, apart from the promise to protect whistleblower identities, and to focus on reporting what he believes to be true.
So, we the listeners, may be justifiably disappointed when a service changes or is eliminated (for example, when the Conservative Nerds content stopped about a year ago), but anger would be utterly inappropriate.
Anger would be something you feel at a promise being broken, or an entitlement being withdrawn. But neither would be the case here. So, if you feel angry, that’s a you problem, not a him problem.
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You must be fun at parties.
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You must be incapable of making an argument.
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Well, if you couldn’t figure it out already, here it is: I believe your words are a sociopathic justification to avoid forming relations, and a justification to avoid practicing “be excellent to each other”—after all, we’re just random posts on the Internet, right? Nobody behind them?
Rather, @trigglux is right. We are united, and form relationships, based on common interests. There is a business argument that Lunduke has a right to shut down the forum, for various reasons (the simplest would be “can’t afford it”), but it doesn’t negate that relationships have been formed, and it would indeed be disappointing for it to go away; “pissed off” is a bit of a nebulous term that usually denotes an unreasonable reaction, so I would avoid using that term specifically.
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That is true in the sense of relationships being things like friendships and similar “high intensity” relations. But there’s more to life than that, again. Suppose you’re a doctor in a hospital. Suppose a dying car crash patient comes in, you perform a surgery on him and the patient survives. Are you and patient not in any “relationship”? For all your professionalism, are you two just two warm bodies that happened to cross paths and be engaged in rendering a service? Or is it proper to also observe there’s also a very human element to it all, where you kept him alive?
Alternative: now that various places like shops and caffes are replacing human staff (cashiers etc) with robots, there’s a new line of humor which goes “and you will be able to do all your daily living without ever laying eyes on a single human being”. Where does this humor get it’s sting from? It gets it from the fact that, even though you don’t have a friendship with cashiers, you still have an interpersonal relationship with them.
Alternative: why do people get upset when they can’t get a human contact in some corporation like YouTube or Google? Is it because chatbots are bad at comprehending the rules of the company, or is it because a human contact brings more to the table than just the information interchange? Is the thing people want to see in the company empathy (empathy: the ability to see the world through another’s eyes)? And if empathy is part of the equation, is the relationship not “interpersonal”?
I understand where you’re coming from, but at the same time there are people who enter into emotional relationships online long before they ever meet face to face. A century ago this used to be done over letters. Just through use of written words, they get to develop a level of intimacy that continues blossoming after they eventually meet. Have they really not been in a relationship before they met?
In practice, after a person does a thing for a long time and people start depending in whatever way on the thing, the person doing the thing effectively ends up being expected to continue doing it. We can bring up various analyses that prove this is wrong on this or that level, or unjust or whatever, but the fact of the matter is the social dynamic exists, and is apparently universal. If you develop a reputation for doing a widely beneficial thing X, there will be a social expectation for you to continue doing X. If you want to stop, you’re at the very least expected to justify yourself. And you know this is true because people otherwise wouldn’t be writing blog posts explaining their reasons for stopping to do things.
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This is what I suspected. It’s pure strawman.
Nowhere in my description did I argue that you shouldn’t form relationships. Indeed, I actually pointed out how experience of posted content can be a determining factor in whether or not you will establish a relationship.
Nowhere in my description did I argue that we should be rude or mean. This is imputation of intention. Not just a straw man, but a projection on top of it.
Nowhere in my description did I argue that the content was coming from nowhere, or that an individual wasn’t behind it. In fact, I explicitly stated that it was coming from people. This is getting tiresome. I’m done.
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Well, then.
Yes, those are correct quotes. And?
Those are contradictory quotes. That’s the point.
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No, they’re not. You’re thick, if you think so.
The first time I found out that online relationships were real - was when someone I interacted with on CompuServe Foxpro forums for years. (He used to be Timmy on Lassie show). He died, and his wife came to the forum to post so that we “strangers on the internet” would know that he just didn’t disappear.
The grief and loss I felt was real.
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I think Bryan did make promises or commitments, formal or informal, to run a three part journal, with conservative nerds and nerdy entertainment as well as the regular Lunduke Journal. He also made commitments at various times to keep TLJ clear of the sort of content that it now primarily distributes.
He did, as you likely remember, ask the active Locals membership of CN whether they would accept him stopping posting to CN and start pushing that content to TLJ. He didn’t however, AFAIK ask the wider CN membership who might not have been on Locals. I also don’t remember him asking the TLJ membership.
Does he still post to Nerdy Entertainment?
I can understand people being angry, or at least frustrated, at that. After all, he received hundreds of dollars from people with a certain understanding of what would be delivered. And we’ve had quite a few members whose content I enjoyed leave as a result.
I enjoy the content TLJ produces today, though it is not what I signed up for. This message board and the No Politics category make up for the changes in TLJ, at least for me.
Speaking of which, perhaps we should organize our own “week of x”. If people want to do those again, I suppose we should let our esteemed moderators, @randrews and @sdloveless, have first dibs on organizing it.
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I’d help organize a week-of-X. I’m not sure about a literal week of X, I sold the manuals back years ago, it’s a huge pain to program for. Maybe a week of Gtk instead?
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I’d say a week of the UNIX terminal would be pretty interesting for a lot of folk who perhaps don’t spend much time in there. I could write a piece or two. But whatever works for you moderators and everyone else.
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IIRC we did a terminal week before, and a DOS week, I’d vote for something new over that. Pi week? Showcase Pi-related projects? Most people have one laying around.
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I like that idea. I have a couple of raspberry pis sitting around, but I haven’t done much of anything with them besides using them as cheap computers.
It’d be nice to draw some inspiration from what people are doing. I have a soldering iron, multimeter, and a number of different electronic components.
I have a pi that I use as my ham radio dmr repeater. Using the pi-star software and a radio hat.
I have another pi that I use as a nas, with 2 8T raid arrays attached.
I’m in for this! I think @xet7 invented Amiga Week Forever and is sticking with it. xD https://forum.lunduke.com/t/amigaweek-forever-in-progress/156
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Currently I’m running these weeks:
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